Talk:Ball o' fire - Revision history

Patojonas: /* Healing */ no minimum confirmed

2012-07-12T12:31:03Z

Healing: no minimum confirmed

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	Looks like there's no ± factor at all, seems to just be round(0.05MaxHP)HP and round(0.05MaxPP)PP. Only thing left to check is if there's a minimum amount. [[User:Patojonas\|Patojonas]] 10:23, 5 July 2012 (PDT)		Looks like there's no ± factor at all, seems to just be round(0.05MaxHP)HP and round(0.05MaxPP)PP. Only thing left to check is if there's a minimum amount. [[User:Patojonas\|Patojonas]] 10:23, 5 July 2012 (PDT)

			'''HP: 12/12<br>
			'''PP: 5/5

			Results:
			* You gain 1 HP and 1 PP.

			Therefore, no minimum. [[User:Patojonas\|Patojonas]] 05:31, 12 July 2012 (PDT)

Patojonas: data and conclusions, for now

2012-07-05T17:23:56Z

data and conclusions, for now

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 Also, it'll need to be checked how much does it heal on someone with less than 20 on each stat to see if there's a fixed minimum amount. [[User:Patojonas|Patojonas]] 07:31, 2 July 2012 (PDT)
 Since [[User:Sanjuro|Sanjuro]] donated a few for my alts to play with here's some data on the damage % without strike back screwing it up (ratio=1-hit2/hit1 formula):
 :hit1 - hit2 - damage ratio
-*1064 - 337 - 1-337/1064=0.683
+*1064 - 337 - 1-337/1064=0.683 <span style="color:#ff0000;">(I recall that there were 11 points of strikeback between the hits on this one, but the result would be above .65 either way)</span>
 *1258 - 439 - 1-439/1258=0.651
 *1270 - 487 - 1-487/1270=0.617
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 So far the data ranges from 0.609 to .683, fitting the 65%±2.5% and 65%±2%, meaning more data is needed. [[User:Patojonas|Patojonas]] 07:35, 5 July 2012 (PDT)

Patojonas: some mathematic considerations

2012-07-05T14:35:49Z

some mathematic considerations

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	Based on this damage seems to range from 60% to 70% of the foe's remaining HP, a few more uses needed to check the limits. [[User:Patojonas\|Patojonas]] 17:46, 4 July 2012 (PDT)		Based on this damage seems to range from 60% to 70% of the foe's remaining HP, a few more uses needed to check the limits. [[User:Patojonas\|Patojonas]] 17:46, 4 July 2012 (PDT)

			<span style="color:#ff0000;">Based on the previous statement I'm a fool. Here's why:</span>

			Considering a foe with 10000HP and no resistances:

			{\| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1" align="left" style="text-align:center"
			! % for 1st and 2nd hit !! hit1 damage !! hit2 damage !! 1-hit2/hit1 result
			\|-
			\| 60% on both \|\| 6000 \|\| 2400 \|\| .6000
			\|-
			\| 70% on both \|\| 7000 \|\| 2100 \|\| .7000
			\|- style="background-color:#EFEFEF"
			\| 60% then 70% \|\| 6000 \|\| 2800 \|\| .5333
			\|- style="background-color:#EFEFEF"
			\| 70% then 60% \|\| 7000 \|\| 1800 \|\| .7428
			\|-
			\| 62,5% then 67,5% \|\| 6250 \|\| 2531,25 \|\| .5950
			\|-
			\| 67,5% then 62,5% \|\| 6750 \|\| 2031,25 \|\| .6990
			\|- style="background-color:#EFEFEF"
			\| 63% then 67% \|\| 6300 \|\| 2479 \|\| .6065
			\|- style="background-color:#EFEFEF"
			\| 67% then 63% \|\| 6700 \|\| 2079 \|\| .6897
			\|}<br clear="all">

			The data [[User:Cristiona\|Cristiona]] provided is contaminated with strikebacks according to herself and since the values are small enough for it to influence significantly the results I won't consider them (sorry).

			So far the data ranges from 0.609 to .683, fitting the 65%±2.5% and 65%±2%, meaning more data is needed. [[User:Patojonas\|Patojonas]] 07:35, 5 July 2012 (PDT)

Patojonas: damage data

2012-07-05T00:46:08Z

damage data

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	Also, it'll need to be checked how much does it heal on someone with less than 20 on each stat to see if there's a fixed minimum amount. [[User:Patojonas\|Patojonas]] 07:31, 2 July 2012 (PDT)		Also, it'll need to be checked how much does it heal on someone with less than 20 on each stat to see if there's a fixed minimum amount. [[User:Patojonas\|Patojonas]] 07:31, 2 July 2012 (PDT)

			Since [[User:Sanjuro\|Sanjuro]] donated a few for my alts to play with here's some data on the damage % without strike back screwing it up (ratio=1-hit2/hit1 formula):

			:hit1 - hit2 - damage ratio
			*1064 - 337 - 1-337/1064=0.683
			*1258 - 439 - 1-439/1258=0.651
			*1270 - 487 - 1-487/1270=0.617
			*1107 - 414 - 1-414/1107=0.626
			*0907 - 354 - 1-354/907=0.609

			Based on this damage seems to range from 60% to 70% of the foe's remaining HP, a few more uses needed to check the limits. [[User:Patojonas\|Patojonas]] 17:46, 4 July 2012 (PDT)

Patojonas: some data on healing and thoughs on healing mechanic

2012-07-02T14:31:24Z

some data on healing and thoughs on healing mechanic

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	Of course, it was getting damaged from other sources (I had 4 sources of strikeback, and a [[reformed arsonist]], ''and'' [[judo kid gloves]]. Still, should help with figuring the percents more than level 1 foes. [[User:Cristiona\|Cristiona]] 20:43, 24 June 2012 (PDT)		Of course, it was getting damaged from other sources (I had 4 sources of strikeback, and a [[reformed arsonist]], ''and'' [[judo kid gloves]]. Still, should help with figuring the percents more than level 1 foes. [[User:Cristiona\|Cristiona]] 20:43, 24 June 2012 (PDT)

			----
			You clutch the ball o' fire in your hands, letting the heat infuse your body, warming you body and soul. You gain 46 HP and 36 PP.
			HP: 868/868
			PP: 38/706

			According to this and Cristiona's data, it seems to be 0.05MaxHP and 0.05MaxPP, but there seems to be a small ± number assigned to it.

			Also, it'll need to be checked how much does it heal on someone with less than 20 on each stat to see if there's a fixed minimum amount. [[User:Patojonas\|Patojonas]] 07:31, 2 July 2012 (PDT)

Cristiona at 03:43, 25 June 2012

2012-06-25T03:43:25Z

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	HP: 1205/1205; PP: 43/679 [[User:Cristiona\|Cristiona]] 20:38, 24 June 2012 (PDT)		HP: 1205/1205; PP: 43/679 [[User:Cristiona\|Cristiona]] 20:38, 24 June 2012 (PDT)

			Also, since I'm nice, I chucked one at a [[flying polyp]]: You fling the ball o' fire at the flying polyp, roasting them for 424 damage!

			And a second one: You fling the ball o' fire at the flying polyp, roasting them for 122 damage!

			Of course, it was getting damaged from other sources (I had 4 sources of strikeback, and a [[reformed arsonist]], ''and'' [[judo kid gloves]]. Still, should help with figuring the percents more than level 1 foes. [[User:Cristiona\|Cristiona]] 20:43, 24 June 2012 (PDT)

Cristiona at 03:38, 25 June 2012

2012-06-25T03:38:20Z

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	mutant vagrant<br>		mutant vagrant<br>
	17/32<br>[[User:Patojonas\|Patojonas]] 04:31, 5 May 2012 (PDT)		17/32<br>[[User:Patojonas\|Patojonas]] 04:31, 5 May 2012 (PDT)

			You clutch the ball o' fire in your hands, letting the heat infuse your body, warming you body and soul. You gain 61 HP and 34 PP.

			HP: 1205/1205; PP: 43/679 [[User:Cristiona\|Cristiona]] 20:38, 24 June 2012 (PDT)

Patojonas: some data

2012-05-05T11:31:33Z

some data

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	<del>Damage scales and was similar in value with that of the atomic wedge at my level.</del> [[User:Patojonas\|Patojonas]] 06:56, 2 May 2012 (PDT)		<del>Damage scales and was similar in value with that of the atomic wedge at my level.</del> [[User:Patojonas\|Patojonas]] 06:56, 2 May 2012 (PDT)

	Damage is a % of foe's remaining HP, around 10% more spading needed. [[User:Patojonas\|Patojonas]] 03:26, 5 May 2012 (PDT)		Damage is a % of foe's remaining HP, <del>around 10%</del> more spading needed. [[User:Patojonas\|Patojonas]] 03:26, 5 May 2012 (PDT)

			some data from enemies with known max HP:

			skateboarding teen<br>
			5/10<br>
			6/10<br>
			5/10<br>
			6/10<br>
			5/10<br>
			7/10<br>
			5/10<br>

			mutant vagrant<br>
			17/32<br>[[User:Patojonas\|Patojonas]] 04:31, 5 May 2012 (PDT)

Patojonas: not scaling but a percentage

2012-05-05T10:26:08Z

not scaling but a percentage

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	Damage scales and was similar in value with that of the atomic wedge at my level. [[User:Patojonas\|Patojonas]] 06:56, 2 May 2012 (PDT)		<del>Damage scales and was similar in value with that of the atomic wedge at my level.</del> [[User:Patojonas\|Patojonas]] 06:56, 2 May 2012 (PDT)

			Damage is a % of foe's remaining HP, around 10% more spading needed. [[User:Patojonas\|Patojonas]] 03:26, 5 May 2012 (PDT)

Patojonas: Created page with "Damage scales and was similar in value with that of the atomic wedge at my level. ~~~~"

2012-05-02T13:56:26Z

Created page with "Damage scales and was similar in value with that of the atomic wedge at my level. ~~~~"

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Damage scales and was similar in value with that of the atomic wedge at my level. [[User:Patojonas|Patojonas]] 06:56, 2 May 2012 (PDT)