Talk:Bonus spell damage - Revision history

Shikao at 16:39, 12 January 2011

2011-01-12T16:39:15Z

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	::::: Yeah and presented it much simpler =P What I find strange is that not-capped spells (Firestorm and Psionic Blast) have non-% bonus applied after % bonus. --[[User:Shikao\|Shikao]] 11:09, 8 January 2011 (PST)		::::: Yeah and presented it much simpler =P What I find strange is that not-capped spells (Firestorm and Psionic Blast) have non-% bonus applied after % bonus. --[[User:Shikao\|Shikao]] 11:09, 8 January 2011 (PST)
	:::::: That's indeed really odd, and I think you should ask Ryme about it (since you were the one who collected the data). --[[User:Muhandes\|Muhandes]] 17:27, 8 January 2011 (PST)		:::::: That's indeed really odd, and I think you should ask Ryme about it (since you were the one who collected the data). --[[User:Muhandes\|Muhandes]] 17:27, 8 January 2011 (PST)

			Response from Ryme:<br>
			''As in any other mathematical system, you always multiply and then add. Proper order of operations.''

			''The thing you guys are probably missing is that the cap expands with +% damage. I know I'm on record as saying this, but it may have been lost in the mists of time.''

			It really was piece of information I was missing. Taking into account that formula works for all spells. It definitely should be mention on page, it makes % bonus even more useful.--[[User:Shikao\|Shikao]] 08:39, 12 January 2011 (PST)

Muhandes: /* Caps and bonus */

2011-01-09T01:27:50Z

Caps and bonus

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	:::: Did I get it right? --[[User:Muhandes\|Muhandes]] 09:04, 8 January 2011 (PST)		:::: Did I get it right? --[[User:Muhandes\|Muhandes]] 09:04, 8 January 2011 (PST)
	::::: Yeah and presented it much simpler =P What I find strange is that not-capped spells (Firestorm and Psionic Blast) have non-% bonus applied after % bonus. --[[User:Shikao\|Shikao]] 11:09, 8 January 2011 (PST)		::::: Yeah and presented it much simpler =P What I find strange is that not-capped spells (Firestorm and Psionic Blast) have non-% bonus applied after % bonus. --[[User:Shikao\|Shikao]] 11:09, 8 January 2011 (PST)
			:::::: That's indeed really odd, and I think you should ask Ryme about it (since you were the one who collected the data). --[[User:Muhandes\|Muhandes]] 17:27, 8 January 2011 (PST)

Shikao at 19:09, 8 January 2011

2011-01-08T19:09:43Z

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	::::* In case of soft cap, apply remaining non-% bonuses		::::* In case of soft cap, apply remaining non-% bonuses
	:::: Did I get it right? --[[User:Muhandes\|Muhandes]] 09:04, 8 January 2011 (PST)		:::: Did I get it right? --[[User:Muhandes\|Muhandes]] 09:04, 8 January 2011 (PST)
			::::: Yeah and presented it much simpler =P What I find strange is that not-capped spells (Firestorm and Psionic Blast) have non-% bonus applied after % bonus. --[[User:Shikao\|Shikao]] 11:09, 8 January 2011 (PST)

Muhandes: /* Caps and bonus */

2011-01-08T17:05:00Z

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	::::* Apply non-% bonuses, but only to the cap.		::::* Apply non-% bonuses, but only to the cap.
	::::* Apply % bonuses		::::* Apply % bonuses
	::::* ~~Apply~~ remaining non-% bonuses ~~over the cap~~		::::* In case of soft cap, apply remaining non-% bonuses
	:::: Did I get it right? --[[User:Muhandes\|Muhandes]] 09:04, 8 January 2011 (PST)		:::: Did I get it right? --[[User:Muhandes\|Muhandes]] 09:04, 8 January 2011 (PST)

Muhandes: /* Caps and bonus */

2011-01-08T17:04:20Z

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	:: This disagrees with what you wrote above. You said percentile bonus is applied first, now you are saying the non-percentile bonus is applied first. Which one is it? --[[User:Muhandes\|Muhandes]] 08:50, 5 January 2011 (PST)		:: This disagrees with what you wrote above. You said percentile bonus is applied first, now you are saying the non-percentile bonus is applied first. Which one is it? --[[User:Muhandes\|Muhandes]] 08:50, 5 January 2011 (PST)
	::: That depends whether there is 'place' for non-% bonus before cap or not. If lvl and intellect bonus are enough to fill the cap, then all non-% would be applied after % bonus, like in formula above. If not, then part or whole non-% bonus is applied first, as long as it doesn't reach cap, like in example in 3.--[[User:Shikao\|Shikao]] 10:42, 6 January 2011 (PST)		::: That depends whether there is 'place' for non-% bonus before cap or not. If lvl and intellect bonus are enough to fill the cap, then all non-% would be applied after % bonus, like in formula above. If not, then part or whole non-% bonus is applied first, as long as it doesn't reach cap, like in example in 3.--[[User:Shikao\|Shikao]] 10:42, 6 January 2011 (PST)
			::::Let me see if I got it right. The order of bonuses is as follows:
			::::* Apply non-% bonuses, but only to the cap.
			::::* Apply % bonuses
			::::* Apply remaining non-% bonuses over the cap
			:::: Did I get it right? --[[User:Muhandes\|Muhandes]] 09:04, 8 January 2011 (PST)

Shikao: /* Caps and bonus */

2011-01-06T18:42:40Z

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	:: This disagrees with what you wrote above. You said percentile bonus is applied first, now you are saying the non-percentile bonus is applied first. Which one is it? --[[User:Muhandes\|Muhandes]] 08:50, 5 January 2011 (PST)		:: This disagrees with what you wrote above. You said percentile bonus is applied first, now you are saying the non-percentile bonus is applied first. Which one is it? --[[User:Muhandes\|Muhandes]] 08:50, 5 January 2011 (PST)
			::: That depends whether there is 'place' for non-% bonus before cap or not. If lvl and intellect bonus are enough to fill the cap, then all non-% would be applied after % bonus, like in formula above. If not, then part or whole non-% bonus is applied first, as long as it doesn't reach cap, like in example in 3.--[[User:Shikao\|Shikao]] 10:42, 6 January 2011 (PST)

Muhandes: /* Caps and bonus */

2011-01-05T16:50:02Z

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	#for spells with soft caps: as much as possible +X SD goes under cap and that part is affected by +Y% SD, any leftover from +X SD falls into spells' over-cap formula.(checked for Ice Bolt, will test other spells tomorrow)<br>		#for spells with soft caps: as much as possible +X SD goes under cap and that part is affected by +Y% SD, any leftover from +X SD falls into spells' over-cap formula.(checked for Ice Bolt, will test other spells tomorrow)<br>
	:example: Ice Bolt with 10 skill points so cap is 60, anything over cap is square rooted. I have bonuses +10SD and +20%SD. I rolled 54 for base damage, total damage would be: (54+6)*1.2+sqrt(4)=74 --[[User:Shikao\|Shikao]] 07:45, 5 January 2011 (PST)		:example: Ice Bolt with 10 skill points so cap is 60, anything over cap is square rooted. I have bonuses +10SD and +20%SD. I rolled 54 for base damage, total damage would be: (54+6)*1.2+sqrt(4)=74 --[[User:Shikao\|Shikao]] 07:45, 5 January 2011 (PST)

			:: This disagrees with what you wrote above. You said percentile bonus is applied first, now you are saying the non-percentile bonus is applied first. Which one is it? --[[User:Muhandes\|Muhandes]] 08:50, 5 January 2011 (PST)

Shikao: hope someone will understand that

2011-01-05T15:45:16Z

hope someone will understand that

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	: The source is a discussion with Ryme on chat. I must admit I never checked it. Do you have contradictory data? --[[User:Muhandes\|Muhandes]] 01:45, 5 January 2011 (PST)		: The source is a discussion with Ryme on chat. I must admit I never checked it. Do you have contradictory data? --[[User:Muhandes\|Muhandes]] 01:45, 5 January 2011 (PST)
	:: Right now I can say that +%spell damage can definitely raise damage over caps. But as I said, I will check it more thoroughly. When did this discussion happen? Before or after introduction of skill points? --[[User:Shikao\|Shikao]] 02:14, 5 January 2011 (PST)		:: Right now I can say that +%spell damage can definitely raise damage over caps. But as I said, I will check it more thoroughly. When did this discussion happen? Before or after introduction of skill points? --[[User:Shikao\|Shikao]] 02:14, 5 January 2011 (PST)
			:Ok... let's try to present my findings... (SD = spell damage)
			#formula I presented in section above is true for Firestorm (I guess it will work for Psionic Blast too, but it's unchecked for now)
			#+X SD cannot raise damage above hard caps (Throw Sparks, Telekinesis), but +Y% SD can.
			#for spells with soft caps: as much as possible +X SD goes under cap and that part is affected by +Y% SD, any leftover from +X SD falls into spells' over-cap formula.(checked for Ice Bolt, will test other spells tomorrow)<br>
			:example: Ice Bolt with 10 skill points so cap is 60, anything over cap is square rooted. I have bonuses +10SD and +20%SD. I rolled 54 for base damage, total damage would be: (54+6)*1.2+sqrt(4)=74 --[[User:Shikao\|Shikao]] 07:45, 5 January 2011 (PST)

Shikao: /* Caps and bonus */

2011-01-05T10:14:19Z

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	: The source is a discussion with Ryme on chat. I must admit I never checked it. Do you have contradictory data? --[[User:Muhandes\|Muhandes]] 01:45, 5 January 2011 (PST)		: The source is a discussion with Ryme on chat. I must admit I never checked it. Do you have contradictory data? --[[User:Muhandes\|Muhandes]] 01:45, 5 January 2011 (PST)
			:: Right now I can say that +%spell damage can definitely raise damage over caps. But as I said, I will check it more thoroughly. When did this discussion happen? Before or after introduction of skill points? --[[User:Shikao\|Shikao]] 02:14, 5 January 2011 (PST)

Muhandes: /* Caps and bonus */

2011-01-05T09:45:38Z

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	*Note that damage caps apply. That is, if a spell has a damage cap, spell damage modifiers cannot give more damage than the cap.		*Note that damage caps apply. That is, if a spell has a damage cap, spell damage modifiers cannot give more damage than the cap.
	I haven't check spells and bonuses particularly for this, but I don't think it's true. I will investigate it on nearest occasion, but in meantime could some tell me what is source of this statement?--[[User:Shikao\|Shikao]] 08:54, 4 January 2011 (PST)		I haven't check spells and bonuses particularly for this, but I don't think it's true. I will investigate it on nearest occasion, but in meantime could some tell me what is source of this statement?--[[User:Shikao\|Shikao]] 08:54, 4 January 2011 (PST)

			: The source is a discussion with Ryme on chat. I must admit I never checked it. Do you have contradictory data? --[[User:Muhandes\|Muhandes]] 01:45, 5 January 2011 (PST)

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	:::: Did I get it right? --[[User:Muhandes\|Muhandes]] 09:04, 8 January 2011 (PST)		:::: Did I get it right? --[[User:Muhandes\|Muhandes]] 09:04, 8 January 2011 (PST)
	::::: Yeah and presented it much simpler =P What I find strange is that not-capped spells (Firestorm and Psionic Blast) have non-% bonus applied after % bonus. --[[User:Shikao\|Shikao]] 11:09, 8 January 2011 (PST)		::::: Yeah and presented it much simpler =P What I find strange is that not-capped spells (Firestorm and Psionic Blast) have non-% bonus applied after % bonus. --[[User:Shikao\|Shikao]] 11:09, 8 January 2011 (PST)
			:::::: That's indeed really odd, and I think you should ask Ryme about it (since you were the one who collected the data). --[[User:Muhandes\|Muhandes]] 17:27, 8 January 2011 (PST)