Talk:Quadrant Delta-Delta-Delta Force - Revision history

Muhandes at 09:11, 11 January 2010

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	Having pulled in gains higher than my highest buffed stat is a little confusing. I find myself wondering if the cap might be highest buffed stat + level. Don't have hard numbers to back this up right now though. Also, I wonder if lower bound might not be an average of all buffed stats, but your highest unbuffed stat. This is a little difficult for me to test due to my stat distribution, though. [[User:Cristiona\|Cristiona]]		Having pulled in gains higher than my highest buffed stat is a little confusing. I find myself wondering if the cap might be highest buffed stat + level. Don't have hard numbers to back this up right now though. Also, I wonder if lower bound might not be an average of all buffed stats, but your highest unbuffed stat. This is a little difficult for me to test due to my stat distribution, though. [[User:Cristiona\|Cristiona]]

			== A theory that fits ==

			The formula itself isn't my own suggestion, but here are my observations on how it works.

			XP for the other zones always involves Nrandint(0,10), i.e. a uniform distribution between 0 and 10, summed N times. Taking this as a hint, the XP on Delta^3 fits <code>ceiling((50+2randint(0,10))*SumOfBuffedStats/150)</code>.

			As noted above the lower bound is very close to the average of stats, in fact it is 0.3SumOfBuffedStats, where the average is 0.33SumOfBuffedStats. The cap is 0.47*SumOfBuffedStats. Considering that the distribution of stats is for most classes 0.25/0.25/0.5 (see [[Class_Comparison_Tables#Class_Stats_Comparison_Table\|here]], the cap would appear as if it is the main stat.

			So far this fits the data points I observed. Let me know if you see a data point that doesn't fit.
			--[[User:Muhandes\|Muhandes]] 09:11, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

	== Data ==		== Data ==

Jesus: /* Data */

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Data

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	aquatic landshark bot (442) - 201 enerbun / 23 cybertronium / 24 mona lisa drivetrain / 20 plasteel plating		aquatic landshark bot (442) - 201 enerbun / 23 cybertronium / 24 mona lisa drivetrain / 20 plasteel plating

	bass bot (412) - 205 enerbun / 25 mona lisa drivetrain / 32 Aquasson logo		bass bot (412) - 205 enerbun / 25 mona lisa drivetrain / 32 Aquasson logo

	Delta Queen (461) - 240 enerbun / 23 cybertronium / 52 strut bar		Delta Queen (461) - 240 enerbun / 23 cybertronium / 52 strut bar

	jellyfish bot (424) - 228 enerbun / 50 laser macrodiode		jellyfish bot (424) - 228 enerbun / 50 laser macrodiode

	prowler (453) - 218 enerbun / 21 laser macrodiode / 41 mona lisa drivetrain		prowler (453) - 218 enerbun / 21 laser macrodiode / 41 mona lisa drivetrain

	Rho Master (426) - 210 enerbun / 44 titanium plating		Rho Master (426) - 210 enerbun / 44 titanium plating

	squid bot (457) - 237 enerbun / 24 cybertronium / 21 strut bar		squid bot (457) - 237 enerbun / 24 cybertronium / 21 strut bar

	Upsilon-Iota Bot (426) - 193 enerbun / 20 cybertronium / 46 strut bar		Upsilon-Iota Bot (426) - 193 enerbun / 20 cybertronium / 46 strut bar


	3500 total turns		3500 total turns

	Encounter rate seems to be more or less evenly divided (do we have a way of saying that on the wiki, or is it just generally assumed that all areas are like that?). Adventuring with +item gear to spade the drop rate of enerbun, it seems to be 50% for all enemies. For other items, I separated like and unlike numbers to get the percentages (that is, aquatic landsharks and bass bots clearly drop drivetrains at a similar rate so I combined the results from either to get the percentage for both... while the prowler clearly has a different rate, so it was determined separately). --[[User:Jesus\|Jesus]] 06:15, 25 June 2009 (UTC)		Encounter rate seems to be more or less evenly divided (do we have a way of saying that on the wiki, or is it just generally assumed that all areas are like that?). Adventuring with +item gear to spade the drop rate of enerbun, it seems to be 50% for all enemies. For other items, I separated like and unlike numbers to get the percentages (that is, aquatic landsharks and bass bots clearly drop drivetrains at a similar rate so I combined the results from either to get the percentage for both... while the prowler clearly has a different rate, so it was determined separately). --[[User:Jesus\|Jesus]] 06:15, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Jesus: adding drop data

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adding drop data

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	Having pulled in gains higher than my highest buffed stat is a little confusing. I find myself wondering if the cap might be highest buffed stat + level. Don't have hard numbers to back this up right now though. Also, I wonder if lower bound might not be an average of all buffed stats, but your highest unbuffed stat. This is a little difficult for me to test due to my stat distribution, though. [[User:Cristiona\|Cristiona]]		Having pulled in gains higher than my highest buffed stat is a little confusing. I find myself wondering if the cap might be highest buffed stat + level. Don't have hard numbers to back this up right now though. Also, I wonder if lower bound might not be an average of all buffed stats, but your highest unbuffed stat. This is a little difficult for me to test due to my stat distribution, though. [[User:Cristiona\|Cristiona]]


			== Data ==

			aquatic landshark bot (442) - 201 enerbun / 23 cybertronium / 24 mona lisa drivetrain / 20 plasteel plating
			bass bot (412) - 205 enerbun / 25 mona lisa drivetrain / 32 Aquasson logo
			Delta Queen (461) - 240 enerbun / 23 cybertronium / 52 strut bar
			jellyfish bot (424) - 228 enerbun / 50 laser macrodiode
			prowler (453) - 218 enerbun / 21 laser macrodiode / 41 mona lisa drivetrain
			Rho Master (426) - 210 enerbun / 44 titanium plating
			squid bot (457) - 237 enerbun / 24 cybertronium / 21 strut bar
			Upsilon-Iota Bot (426) - 193 enerbun / 20 cybertronium / 46 strut bar

			3500 total turns
			Encounter rate seems to be more or less evenly divided (do we have a way of saying that on the wiki, or is it just generally assumed that all areas are like that?). Adventuring with +item gear to spade the drop rate of enerbun, it seems to be 50% for all enemies. For other items, I separated like and unlike numbers to get the percentages (that is, aquatic landsharks and bass bots clearly drop drivetrains at a similar rate so I combined the results from either to get the percentage for both... while the prowler clearly has a different rate, so it was determined separately). --[[User:Jesus\|Jesus]] 06:15, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Cristiona at 03:54, 16 July 2008

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	XP gain of 2247. Buffed Ref of 2304. Difference of 57. Getting closer. Cap may be (max buffed) - 50. [[User:Cristiona\|Cristiona]]		XP gain of 2247. Buffed Ref of 2304. Difference of 57. Getting closer. Cap may be (max buffed) - 50. [[User:Cristiona\|Cristiona]]


			== New Theory ==

			Having pulled in gains higher than my highest buffed stat is a little confusing. I find myself wondering if the cap might be highest buffed stat + level. Don't have hard numbers to back this up right now though. Also, I wonder if lower bound might not be an average of all buffed stats, but your highest unbuffed stat. This is a little difficult for me to test due to my stat distribution, though. [[User:Cristiona\|Cristiona]]

Cristiona at 04:00, 28 May 2008

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	Of course, that doesn't jive with your 610 average for the Delta... did you have any +XP effects running? [[User:Cristiona\|Cristiona]]		Of course, that doesn't jive with your 610 average for the Delta... did you have any +XP effects running? [[User:Cristiona\|Cristiona]]

			XP gain of 2247. Buffed Ref of 2304. Difference of 57. Getting closer. Cap may be (max buffed) - 50. [[User:Cristiona\|Cristiona]]

Cristiona at 04:57, 26 May 2008

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	In theory, the pit is running off level, not stats. The difference comes out with heavily skewed stats. Anyway, I've hit a new high: 2189 XP, with my highest stat being 2284. Highest -~~100 would make more sense~~, ~~but~~ it ~~might~~ be -95... [[User:Cristiona\|Cristiona]]		In theory, the pit is running off level, not stats. The difference comes out with heavily skewed stats. Anyway, I've hit a new high: 2189 XP, with my highest stat being 2284. Highest -95... Also, re-reading, it's entirely possible that you were just within RNG swinging... especially since your pit gains were off from the expected average.

			Anyway, I may have found the lower bound for the Delta. I managed to pull in 1469 XP when my average was also 1469. I haven't managed lower than that, so our range may be (average buffed stats) - ((highest buffed stat)-95(±?))

			Of course, that doesn't jive with your 610 average for the Delta... did you have any +XP effects running? [[User:Cristiona\|Cristiona]]

Cristiona at 03:20, 26 May 2008

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	That is somewhat different from my earlier test where I only got 550 points in Delta. The only noticable difference was that my intelligence was lower (682 vs 581) but that would suggest the lower your stats, the higher your points! I will continue to collect some more data points and see what happens. I am not happy with the number of observations just yet.		That is somewhat different from my earlier test where I only got 550 points in Delta. The only noticable difference was that my intelligence was lower (682 vs 581) but that would suggest the lower your stats, the higher your points! I will continue to collect some more data points and see what happens. I am not happy with the number of observations just yet.


			In theory, the pit is running off level, not stats. The difference comes out with heavily skewed stats. Anyway, I've hit a new high: 2189 XP, with my highest stat being 2284. Highest -100 would make more sense, but it might be -95... [[User:Cristiona\|Cristiona]]

Hodag at 16:02, 5 May 2008

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	I asked Ryme, and all the bots should be the same, so we'll only need to record XP gains, not which robot gives which. [[User:Cristiona\|Cristiona]]		I asked Ryme, and all the bots should be the same, so we'll only need to record XP gains, not which robot gives which. [[User:Cristiona\|Cristiona]]

			I did a comparison between Delta-Delta and the Fiendish Pit. I started with the following stats:

			Lvl 66<br>
			Str 458 (416)<br>
			Int 581 (505)<br>
			Rfl 404 (384)<br>

			and burned 50 turns off in each zone. What I found was:

			Delta 30,537 points / 50 turns = 610.74 points average
			Pit 28,042 points / 50 turns = 560.84 points average

			That is somewhat different from my earlier test where I only got 550 points in Delta. The only noticable difference was that my intelligence was lower (682 vs 581) but that would suggest the lower your stats, the higher your points! I will continue to collect some more data points and see what happens. I am not happy with the number of observations just yet.

Cristiona at 06:02, 1 May 2008

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	I will collect 40 observations in this same format when I get some time over the weekend and then we can try to build a regression model to tease out the logic. I would be helpful to have observations from more people though so if others could post 40 observations like Cristiona did that would be very helpful.		I will collect 40 observations in this same format when I get some time over the weekend and then we can try to build a regression model to tease out the logic. I would be helpful to have observations from more people though so if others could post 40 observations like Cristiona did that would be very helpful.
	Hodag		Hodag

			I asked Ryme, and all the bots should be the same, so we'll only need to record XP gains, not which robot gives which. [[User:Cristiona\|Cristiona]]

Hodag at 12:49, 30 April 2008

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	This seems to jive with my gains, more or less. All of the numbers fit that range, but I think there might be some kind of variable, as I haven't broken 2000 yet. [[User:Cristiona\|Cristiona]]		This seems to jive with my gains, more or less. All of the numbers fit that range, but I think there might be some kind of variable, as I haven't broken 2000 yet. [[User:Cristiona\|Cristiona]]

			For what it is worth, I did about 50 turns in Delta-Delta-Delta and gained an average of about 550 XP. My stats are:

			Lvl 66<br>
			Str 458 (416)<br>
			Int 682 (505)<br>
			Rfl 404 (384)<br>


			I will collect 40 observations in this same format when I get some time over the weekend and then we can try to build a regression model to tease out the logic. I would be helpful to have observations from more people though so if others could post 40 observations like Cristiona did that would be very helpful.
			Hodag