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		<title>Hoyifung04: /* Extra crit chance */ new section</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;span dir=&quot;auto&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;Extra crit chance: &lt;/span&gt; new section&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l1&quot;&gt;Line 1:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Question: What happens if you have more than 5 skill points in Upgrade Weapons, and wear + % chance to fumble gear? Would it increase your chance to get a critical hit? Does this effect make the theoretical maximum for +% to crit 30%? (20% from crits, 10% from would be fumbles)? --[[User:Blackmatter615|Blackmatter615]] 11:29, 26 October 2010 (PDT)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Question: What happens if you have more than 5 skill points in Upgrade Weapons, and wear + % chance to fumble gear? Would it increase your chance to get a critical hit? Does this effect make the theoretical maximum for +% to crit 30%? (20% from crits, 10% from would be fumbles)? --[[User:Blackmatter615|Blackmatter615]] 11:29, 26 October 2010 (PDT)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:That&amp;#039;s how it worked before skill points.  Assuming everything&amp;#039;s working correctly, that&amp;#039;s how it should work now. [[User:Cristiona|Cristiona]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:That&amp;#039;s how it worked before skill points.  Assuming everything&amp;#039;s working correctly, that&amp;#039;s how it should work now. [[User:Cristiona|Cristiona]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;== Extra crit chance ==&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;It appears that there is a crit chance boost that comes from this.  This shows up as +3% on alts with 0SP and with 10SP invested in Upgrade Weapons, so it is not from the conversion of fumbles to crits.  Both these alts do have [[Improved Tinkering]] at 10SP, so that could be the cause of the increase.  --[[User:Hoyifung04|hoyifung04]] ([[User talk:Hoyifung04|talk]]) 14:20, 10 August 2014 (PDT)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Cristiona at 03:02, 27 October 2010</title>
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		<updated>2010-10-27T03:02:07Z</updated>

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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Question: What happens if you have more than 5 skill points in Upgrade Weapons, and wear + % chance to fumble gear? Would it increase your chance to get a critical hit? Does this effect make the theoretical maximum for +% to crit 30%? (20% from crits, 10% from would be fumbles)? --[[User:Blackmatter615|Blackmatter615]] 11:29, 26 October 2010 (PDT)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Question: What happens if you have more than 5 skill points in Upgrade Weapons, and wear + % chance to fumble gear? Would it increase your chance to get a critical hit? Does this effect make the theoretical maximum for +% to crit 30%? (20% from crits, 10% from would be fumbles)? --[[User:Blackmatter615|Blackmatter615]] 11:29, 26 October 2010 (PDT)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Blackmatter615: Created page with &quot;Question: What happens if you have more than 5 skill points in Upgrade Weapons, and wear + % chance to fumble gear? Would it increase your chance to get a critical hit? Does this...&quot;</title>
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		<updated>2010-10-26T18:29:52Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;Question: What happens if you have more than 5 skill points in Upgrade Weapons, and wear + % chance to fumble gear? Would it increase your chance to get a critical hit? Does this...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;Question: What happens if you have more than 5 skill points in Upgrade Weapons, and wear + % chance to fumble gear? Would it increase your chance to get a critical hit? Does this effect make the theoretical maximum for +% to crit 30%? (20% from crits, 10% from would be fumbles)? --[[User:Blackmatter615|Blackmatter615]] 11:29, 26 October 2010 (PDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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