http://th.blandsauce.com/wiki/Template_talk:Combatencounter/history?feed=atomTemplate talk:Combatencounter - Revision history2026-05-14T06:38:22ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.42.3http://th.blandsauce.com/wiki/index.php?title=Template_talk:Combatencounter&diff=34787&oldid=prevMuhandes at 16:06, 22 February 20102010-02-22T16:06:29Z<p></p>
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</table>Muhandeshttp://th.blandsauce.com/wiki/index.php?title=Template_talk:Combatencounter&diff=16963&oldid=prevMuhandes at 17:08, 17 January 20092009-01-17T17:08:24Z<p></p>
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</table>Muhandeshttp://th.blandsauce.com/wiki/index.php?title=Template_talk:Combatencounter&diff=16962&oldid=prevMuhandes at 17:06, 17 January 20092009-01-17T17:06:04Z<p></p>
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</table>Muhandeshttp://th.blandsauce.com/wiki/index.php?title=Template_talk:Combatencounter&diff=16912&oldid=prevCristiona at 09:36, 13 January 20092009-01-13T09:36:49Z<p></p>
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</table>Cristionahttp://th.blandsauce.com/wiki/index.php?title=Template_talk:Combatencounter&diff=16911&oldid=prevMuhandes at 09:28, 13 January 20092009-01-13T09:28:36Z<p></p>
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</table>Muhandeshttp://th.blandsauce.com/wiki/index.php?title=Template_talk:Combatencounter&diff=16828&oldid=prevBagatelle at 18:19, 11 January 20092009-01-11T18:19:14Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I would very much appreciate feedback on this template. I will start converting some example fights so we can see how it looks, and if it is indeed simpler to use.--[[User:Muhandes|Muhandes]] 11:31, 11 January 2009 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I would very much appreciate feedback on this template. I will start converting some example fights so we can see how it looks, and if it is indeed simpler to use.--[[User:Muhandes|Muhandes]] 11:31, 11 January 2009 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:From a maintenance perspective, I've never liked limiting the number of messages/drops with numbered parameters. This runs the risk of needing template updates whenever the game creates new foes with more messages/drops than we've allocated parameters for. This is in fact already broken at [[Zion's Tears demiurge]]: the conditional drops are listed in an entirely separate section. It's also more unnecessary typing if we go the hit1, hit2, etc route. Hitting <enter> twice for a line break is far easier, and is there any reason we need to differentiate hit messages from each other? Hit notes can be handled by using specially formatted text (e.g., <small>small</small>), either using explicit tags or some specialised template, immediately before or after the appropriate hit text. This makes it less likely to require reordering hit notes if messages get changed and an editor forgets about the parameter's existence.</ins></div></td></tr>
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</table>Bagatellehttp://th.blandsauce.com/wiki/index.php?title=Template_talk:Combatencounter&diff=16794&oldid=prevMuhandes at 11:53, 11 January 20092009-01-11T11:53:48Z<p></p>
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