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Talk:Combination Items

2009-07-13T17:20:22Z

Gitterrost4:

Fixed the Reinforced Pants/Safety Pants--[[User:Trisk]]11/01/08

Paradox Naught needs to be added --[[User:Reaper|Reaper]] 18:10, 18 January 2008 (MST)

It's not exactly a combination item, though. [[User:Soleta|soleta]] 20:58, 18 January 2008 (MST)

then a new area should be added for item creation. it might help other people find items made like it--[[User:Reaper|Reaper]] 21:57, 18 January 2008 (MST)

This is just a thought but shouldn't we separate the potions from the other assembly items, to cut down that massive list.--[[User:Reaper|Reaper]] 14:30, 10 May 2008 (MST)
:I was thinking the same thing when I added them, but I followed the precedent set by Filter, Teardrop gem, and other items that could be considered similar. I guess you'd have to separate out all of the miscellaneous items. Not the kind of thing I'd want to do without some sort of consensus, but for what it's worth I absolutely agree with what you're saying.--[[User:Jesus|Jesus]] 03:22, 11 May 2008 (MST)
::Well we could always make it a "usable item assembly table" that way people could find them with more ease.--[[User:Reaper|Reaper]] 22:15, 14 June 2008 (MST)

Is there a reason for all the duplicate information? Do people come to this page interested in what things do? I see this mainly as a repository of all combination items. If someone is interested in what something does, wont he go to the relevant page anyway?--[[User:Muhandes|Muhandes]] 15:46, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
*It can be handy if, say, you have plassteel and want to see what you could build with it. Or if you just wanted a general overview. It mean, it's not as bad as [[Items by Name]]... [[User:Cristiona|Cristiona]]
:Going on with this idea, I have plasteel plating and I want to see how it can be used. I can go to [[plasteel plating]] and see that it has 8 uses but maybe I want to see what they do. So I come here and how do I search for them? Try sorting by the "Items" column and you will see the problem - you only see 5 of the 8 since in the other plasteel plating is the second component. Maybe a table like this will be slightly better? This way at least with two sorts you can find them all.
{| cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0" border="1" align="left" style="text-align:center" class="sortable" align="center" valign="top"
|- style="background-color:#EFEFEF"
! '''Item1'''
! '''Item2'''
!'''Creates'''
!'''Category'''
! '''Power'''
! '''Level
Required'''
! '''Autosell
Value'''
!'''Benefit'''
|-
| [[plasteel plating]]
| [[denim jacket]]
| [[plasteel shirt]]
| [[:Category:Shirts|Shirt]]
| 55
| 10
| 175
|  
|-
| [[plasteel plating]]
| [[denim pants]]
| [[plasteel trousers]]
| [[:Category:Pants|Pants]]
| 55
| 10
| 175
|  
|-
| [[smoldering ash]]
| [[plasteel plating]]
| [[infernium slab]]
| [[:Category:Miscellaneous Items|Miscellaneous Item]]
| N/A
| 0
| 80
| Can be welded
|-
| [[plasteel plating]]
| [[flak helmet]]
| [[plasteel helmet]]
| [[:Category:Helmets|Helmet]]
| 55
| 10
| 175
|  
|-
|}
(side note: I agree about [[Items by Name]] being redundant and I marked it for deletion)--[[User:Muhandes|Muhandes]] 09:05, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

I have put together a complete (or so I hope) combination graph. It is, however, fairly large (1.5 MB; approx. 10000 x 5000 Pixels). So I don't know if I should upload it.--gitterrost4; 2009/07/13 10:54 EST
:I'm all for large and flashy images, as long as the server can support it. Only a thumbnail to the image should be included, though, since this resolution is really frickin' large. --[[User:Alarion|Alarion]] 15:19, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:Uploading isn't much of a problem. When it's accessed a lot is when bandwidth takes a hit. Go ahead and upload it, but don't use it anywhere yet; just put a link here. I'm not that sure why an image would be needed for this, but I'd like to see it.--[[User:Olaf|Olaf]] 16:24, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

:There seems to be a problem. On the upload page it says, that the maximum file size is 8 MB. The picture is 1.5 MB large. Still I get a "Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 67108864 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 41952 bytes) in /home/content/a/u/s/austindozier/html/th/wiki/includes/media/Bitmap.php on line 172". For reference: the Picture lies on [http://users.informatik.uni-halle.de/~abgnr/stuff/Full.jpg this] server. --[[User:Gitterrost4|gitterrost4]] 2009/07/13 1:19 EST

Talk:Combination Items

2009-07-13T17:17:52Z

Gitterrost4:

Talk:Combination Items

2009-07-13T14:55:10Z

Gitterrost4:

User:Gitterrost4

2009-07-13T14:47:16Z

Gitterrost4: New page: == About me == '''Character:''' gitterrost4 '''ID:''' #27668 '''Class:''' Gadgeteer '''Level:''' 27

== About me ==
'''Character:''' gitterrost4 
'''ID:''' #27668 
'''Class:''' Gadgeteer 
'''Level:''' 27

Jetpack Assembly Table

2009-07-13T14:40:25Z

Gitterrost4:

===Jetpack Assembly Table===

{| cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0" border="1" align="left" style="text-align:center" class="sortable" align="center" valign="top"
|- style="background-color:#EFEFEF"
! '''Items'''
!'''Assembly Types'''
!'''acquired'''
!'''Finished Item'''
!'''Repeat process'''
|-
! colspan=5 | Guidance System
|-
| [[Firecracker]]/[[Enerbun globule]]
+ [[Digital rapier]]
| Use (like you would for caffeine)
| Drops
| [[gyro stabilizer]]
| no
|-
| [[Signal processing code]]
+ [[Physiology scan code]]
| Combine
| Decoded
| [[Control software]]
| no
|-
| [[Broken PDA]]
+ [[Memory tube]]
| Combine
| Drops
| [[Underpowered PDA]]
| no
|-
| [[Underpowered PDA]]
+ [[Nanoprocessor]]
| Combine
| Made
+ Buy
| [[PDA]]
| no
|-
| [[PDA]]
+ [[control software]]
| Combine
| Made
| [[Control unit]]
| no
|-
| [[Control unit]]
+ [[Gyro stabilizer]]
| Combine
| Made
| [[Guidance system]]
| no
|-
! colspan=5 | Propulsion System
|-
| [[Webbed sand]]
+ [[Padded tights]]
| Combine
| Drop
+ Buy
| [[Filter]]
| no
|-
| [[Filter]]
+ [[Fire bladder]]
| Combine
| Drops
| [[Fuel]]
| no
|-
| [[Shell casing]]
+ [[Shell casing]]
| Weld
| Drops
| [[Double canister]]
| no
|-
| [[Double canister]]
+ [[Titanium plating]]
| Weld
| Made
+ Drop
| [[Empty tank]]
| no
|-
| [[Empty tank]]
+ [[Fuel]]
| Combine
| Made
| [[Fuel tank]]
| no
|-
| [[Guidance system]]
+ [[Fuel tank]]
| Combine
| Made
| [[Propulsion system]]
| no
|-
! colspan=5 | Harness
|-
| [[Trylon strap]]
+ [[Trylon strap]]
| Combine
| Drops
| [[Harness]]
| no
|-
| [[Harness]]
+ [[Plasteel plating]]
| Weld
| Made
+ Drop
| [[Sturdy harness]]
| no
|-
! colspan=5 | Control Arms
|-
| [[Lead pipe]]
+ [[Titanium plating]]
| Weld
| Drops
| [[Titanium pipe]]
| yes 1x
|-
| [[Tacky grip]]
+ [[Titanium pipe]]
| Combine
| Made
| [[Handle]]
| yes 1x
|-
| [[Transformer]]
+ [[Gears]]
| Combine
| Drops
| [[Motor]]
| yes 1x
|-
| [[Pressure plate]]
+ [[Electronic cabling]]
| Combine
| Drops
| [[Sensor mechanism]]
| yes 1x
|-
| [[Sensor mechanism]]
+ [[Motor]]
| Combine
| Made
| [[Servomotor]]
| yes 1x
|-
| [[Handle]]
+ [[Servomotor]]
| Combine
| Made
| [[Control arm]]
| yes 1x
|-
! colspan=5 | Final Assembly
|-
| [[Control arm]]
+ [[Sturdy harness]]
| Combine
| Made
| [[One-armed harness]]
| no
|-
| [[Control arm]]
+ [[One-armed harness]]
| Combine
| Made
| [[Control frame]]
| no
|-
| [[Control frame]]
+ [[Propulsion system]]
| Weld
| Made
| [[Jetpack]]
| Finished
|-
|}

Back to [[Combination_Items#Large_Assembly_Projects|Large Assembly Projects]]

===Grocery list===
Items you will need to find to make the [[Jetpack]]

{|
| 1|| [[Broken PDA]]
|-
| 1|| [[Digital rapier]]
|-
| 2|| [[Electronic cabling]]
|-
| 1|| [[Fire bladder]]
|-
| 1|| [[Firecracker]]/[[Enerbun globule]]
|-
| 2|| [[Gears]]
|-
| 2|| [[Lead pipe|lead pipes]]
|-
| 1|| [[Memory tube]]
|-
| 1|| [[Nanoprocessor]]
|-
| 1|| [[Padded tights]]
|-
| 1|| [[Physiology scan code]]
|-
| 1|| [[Plasteel plating]]
|-
| 2|| [[Pressure plate|pressure plates]]
|-
| 2|| [[Shell casing|shell casings]]
|-
| 1|| [[Signal processing code]]
|-
| 6|| [[Solder]]
|-
| 2|| [[Tacky grip]]
|-
| 3|| [[Titanium plating|titanium plates]]
|-
| 2|| [[Transformer|transformers]]
|-
| 2|| [[Trylon strap|trylon straps]]
|-
| 1|| [[Webbed sand]]
|-
|
|}

===Algebraic Assembly===
The following is the jetpack assembly method expressed in algebraic style, originally compiled by [[User:Dadaca|Dadaca]]. Note that the control arm, two of which are required for the jetpack, has been separated from the rest of the expression, in order to simplify the expression somewhat. The gyro stabilizer is acquired through disassembly.

Assembly is expressed as (ITEM A + ITEM B). Welding is expressed as ([WELD] ITEM A + ITEM B).

A basic operation, one that involves items acquired through drops, is expressed in curly braces: {ITEM A + ITEM B}

jetpack =
([WELD] ((((nanoprocessor + {broken PDA + memory tube}) + {physiology scan code + signal processing code}) + gyro stabilizer) + ((fire bladder + {padded tights + webbed sand}) + ([WELD] {[WELD] shell casing + shell casing} + titanium plating))) + (control arm + (control arm + ([WELD] {trylon strap + trylon strap} + plasteel plating))))

control arm =
((tacky grip + {[WELD] titanium plating + lead pipe}) + ({pressure plate + electronic cabling} + {gears + transformer}))

gyro stabilizer + rapier = ([DISASSEMBLE] digital rapier)

===Assembly Graph===
This graph shows the assembly visually.

[[Image:JetpackAssemblyGraph.jpg|1000px]]

Back to [[Combination_Items#Large_Assembly_Projects|Large Assembly Projects]]
[[Category:Guides]]

Jetpack Assembly Table

2009-07-13T14:37:56Z

Gitterrost4:

===Jetpack Assembly Table===

{| cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0" border="1" align="left" style="text-align:center" class="sortable" align="center" valign="top"
|- style="background-color:#EFEFEF"
! '''Items'''
!'''Assembly Types'''
!'''acquired'''
!'''Finished Item'''
!'''Repeat process'''
|-
! colspan=5 | Guidance System
|-
| [[Firecracker]]/[[Enerbun globule]]
+ [[Digital rapier]]
| Use (like you would for caffeine)
| Drops
| [[gyro stabilizer]]
| no
|-
| [[Signal processing code]]
+ [[Physiology scan code]]
| Combine
| Decoded
| [[Control software]]
| no
|-
| [[Broken PDA]]
+ [[Memory tube]]
| Combine
| Drops
| [[Underpowered PDA]]
| no
|-
| [[Underpowered PDA]]
+ [[Nanoprocessor]]
| Combine
| Made
+ Buy
| [[PDA]]
| no
|-
| [[PDA]]
+ [[control software]]
| Combine
| Made
| [[Control unit]]
| no
|-
| [[Control unit]]
+ [[Gyro stabilizer]]
| Combine
| Made
| [[Guidance system]]
| no
|-
! colspan=5 | Propulsion System
|-
| [[Webbed sand]]
+ [[Padded tights]]
| Combine
| Drop
+ Buy
| [[Filter]]
| no
|-
| [[Filter]]
+ [[Fire bladder]]
| Combine
| Drops
| [[Fuel]]
| no
|-
| [[Shell casing]]
+ [[Shell casing]]
| Weld
| Drops
| [[Double canister]]
| no
|-
| [[Double canister]]
+ [[Titanium plating]]
| Weld
| Made
+ Drop
| [[Empty tank]]
| no
|-
| [[Empty tank]]
+ [[Fuel]]
| Combine
| Made
| [[Fuel tank]]
| no
|-
| [[Guidance system]]
+ [[Fuel tank]]
| Combine
| Made
| [[Propulsion system]]
| no
|-
! colspan=5 | Harness
|-
| [[Trylon strap]]
+ [[Trylon strap]]
| Combine
| Drops
| [[Harness]]
| no
|-
| [[Harness]]
+ [[Plasteel plating]]
| Weld
| Made
+ Drop
| [[Sturdy harness]]
| no
|-
! colspan=5 | Control Arms
|-
| [[Lead pipe]]
+ [[Titanium plating]]
| Weld
| Drops
| [[Titanium pipe]]
| yes 1x
|-
| [[Tacky grip]]
+ [[Titanium pipe]]
| Combine
| Made
| [[Handle]]
| yes 1x
|-
| [[Transformer]]
+ [[Gears]]
| Combine
| Drops
| [[Motor]]
| yes 1x
|-
| [[Pressure plate]]
+ [[Electronic cabling]]
| Combine
| Drops
| [[Sensor mechanism]]
| yes 1x
|-
| [[Sensor mechanism]]
+ [[Motor]]
| Combine
| Made
| [[Servomotor]]
| yes 1x
|-
| [[Handle]]
+ [[Servomotor]]
| Combine
| Made
| [[Control arm]]
| yes 1x
|-
! colspan=5 | Final Assembly
|-
| [[Control arm]]
+ [[Sturdy harness]]
| Combine
| Made
| [[One-armed harness]]
| no
|-
| [[Control arm]]
+ [[One-armed harness]]
| Combine
| Made
| [[Control frame]]
| no
|-
| [[Control frame]]
+ [[Propulsion system]]
| Weld
| Made
| [[Jetpack]]
| Finished
|-
|}

Back to [[Combination_Items#Large_Assembly_Projects|Large Assembly Projects]]

===Grocery list===
Items you will need to find to make the [[Jetpack]]

{|
| 1|| [[Broken PDA]]
|-
| 1|| [[Digital rapier]]
|-
| 2|| [[Electronic cabling]]
|-
| 1|| [[Fire bladder]]
|-
| 1|| [[Firecracker]]/[[Enerbun globule]]
|-
| 2|| [[Gears]]
|-
| 2|| [[Lead pipe|lead pipes]]
|-
| 1|| [[Memory tube]]
|-
| 1|| [[Nanoprocessor]]
|-
| 1|| [[Padded tights]]
|-
| 1|| [[Physiology scan code]]
|-
| 1|| [[Plasteel plating]]
|-
| 2|| [[Pressure plate|pressure plates]]
|-
| 2|| [[Shell casing|shell casings]]
|-
| 1|| [[Signal processing code]]
|-
| 6|| [[Solder]]
|-
| 2|| [[Tacky grip]]
|-
| 3|| [[Titanium plating|titanium plates]]
|-
| 2|| [[Transformer|transformers]]
|-
| 2|| [[Trylon strap|trylon straps]]
|-
| 1|| [[Webbed sand]]
|-
|
|}

===Algebraic Assembly===
The following is the jetpack assembly method expressed in algebraic style, originally compiled by [[User:Dadaca|Dadaca]]. Note that the control arm, two of which are required for the jetpack, has been separated from the rest of the expression, in order to simplify the expression somewhat. The gyro stabilizer is acquired through disassembly.

Assembly is expressed as (ITEM A + ITEM B). Welding is expressed as ([WELD] ITEM A + ITEM B).

A basic operation, one that involves items acquired through drops, is expressed in curly braces: {ITEM A + ITEM B}

jetpack =
([WELD] ((((nanoprocessor + {broken PDA + memory tube}) + {physiology scan code + signal processing code}) + gyro stabilizer) + ((fire bladder + {padded tights + webbed sand}) + ([WELD] {[WELD] shell casing + shell casing} + titanium plating))) + (control arm + (control arm + ([WELD] {trylon strap + trylon strap} + plasteel plating))))

control arm =
((tacky grip + {[WELD] titanium plating + lead pipe}) + ({pressure plate + electronic cabling} + {gears + transformer}))

gyro stabilizer + rapier = ([DISASSEMBLE] digital rapier)

===Assembly Graph===
This Graph shows the assembly visually.

[[Image:JetpackAssemblyGraph.jpg|1000px]]

Back to [[Combination_Items#Large_Assembly_Projects|Large Assembly Projects]]
[[Category:Guides]]

File:JetpackAssemblyGraph.jpg

2009-07-13T14:31:42Z

Gitterrost4: This is a graph showing how to put together the Jetpack.

This is a graph showing how to put together the Jetpack.