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I removed the line about that quote from me. It was a misquote, and it was out of context.--[[User:Therum|Therum]] 17:12, 10 February 2008 (MST)
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"Therum has been quoted saying "It's rather simple, but it's also genius. And that's all I'll say."" ... um... what? [[User:Cristiona|Cristiona]] 21:25, 15 December 2007 (MST)
 
"Therum has been quoted saying "It's rather simple, but it's also genius. And that's all I'll say."" ... um... what? [[User:Cristiona|Cristiona]] 21:25, 15 December 2007 (MST)
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: Oh, I get it.  Each fiend has three adjectives, and each (first, second, third) adjective is taken from a table of adjectives.  Each possible fiend's name can be described by three numbers, one for each table.  How much you wanna bet the adjectives on the tables are in alphabetical order?  Last hint: 1A 2B 3C 4D 5E ... 25Y 26Z. --[[User:Mozai|Mozai]] 15:18, 18 December 2007 (MST)
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: If I'm right, the chances of fighting the correct fiend should be 1 in 729... maybe 1 in 6561. -[[User:Mozai|Mozai]] 15:22, 18 December 2007 (MST)
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All 4 name parts are used as indexes. Their indexes are not in alphabetical order. - Satan
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Since Ryme is a programmer, the drop is probably determined by a simple hash table calculation and here is how it probably works.  The program randomly selects an integer from 1 to 9; it does this four times to get each part of the monster name from the four lists.  Then the four index values are added to get a hash sum, which in this case must fall in the range from 4 (all ones) to 36 (all nines).  '''Any combination of index numbers that sums to the desired hash value should drop the talisman'''. 
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Depending on the winning hash value Ryme selected, the probability of the drop could be anywhere from low of 0.015% to a high of 7.453% (he could also have programmed multiple winning values such as 4 '''OR''' 36). Given the rarity of this item, the target value(s) is obviously one of the low frequency choices near the top or bottom of the table shown below.  For example, if the target hash sum is 5, there are four monster name combinations (out of 6,561 possibilities) that will drop the talisman, while if the value is 6 there are ten combinations, etc. 
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Unfortunately, knowing the programming technique is just interesting information; that knowledge does not help you get an Abaddon Charm any sooner!  If you want the talisman, you have to go to the pit, kill some monsters, and get lucky.  - Hodag
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{| cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0" border="1" align="center" style="text-align:center"
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|+style="font-size:150%" |Hash Table
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|- style="background-color:#EFEFEF"
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!'''Hash'''!!'''Frequency'''!!'''Probability'''
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| 4 || 1 || 0.015% ||
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|-
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| 5 || 4 || 0.061% ||
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|-
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| 6 || 10 || 0.152% ||
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|-
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| 7 || 20 || 0.305% ||
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|-
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| 8 || 35 || 0.533% ||
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|-
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| 9 || 56 || 0.854% ||
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|-
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| 10 || 84 || 1.280% ||
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|-
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| 11 || 120 || 1.829% ||
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|-
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| 12 || 165 || 2.515% ||
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|-
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| 13 || 216 || 3.292% ||
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|-
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| 14 || 270 || 4.115% ||
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|-
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| 15 || 324 || 4.938% ||
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|-
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| 16 || 375 || 5.716% ||
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|-
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| 17 || 420 || 6.401% ||
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|-
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| 18 || 456 || 6.950% ||
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|-
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| 19 || 480 || 7.316% ||
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|-
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| 20 || 489 || 7.453% ||
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|-
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| 21 || 480 || 7.316% ||
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|-
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| 22 || 456 || 6.950% ||
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|-
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| 23 || 420 || 6.401% ||
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|-
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| 24 || 375 || 5.716% ||
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|-
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| 25 || 324 || 4.938% ||
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|-
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| 26 || 270 || 4.115% ||
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|-
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| 27 || 216 || 3.292% ||
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|-
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| 28 || 165 || 2.515% ||
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|-
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| 29 || 120 || 1.829% ||
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|-
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| 30 || 84 || 1.280% ||
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|-
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| 31 || 56 || 0.854% ||
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|-
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| 32 || 35 || 0.533% ||
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|-
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| 33 || 20 || 0.305% ||
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|-
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| 34 || 10 || 0.152% ||
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| 35 || 4 || 0.061% ||
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|-
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| 36 || 1 || 0.015% ||
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|-
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| Total || 6,561 || 100.000% ||
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|-
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|}
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02 Jan 2008, 22:50 (GMT) -- Jova acquires Abaddon Charm from creature called "a pre-tastic monster from Abaddon".
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Hope this helps anyone out there :) -- Jova.
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You got a screen shot of that? Verification, you see. All previous charms (quite a few) have come from Freak-tesque fiends from the inferno. - Satan
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[[Image:Abaddon charm (2).jpg]]
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This is the pit fiend I found which dropped the Abaddon charm. -- Jova
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Hrm. I got this today.
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[[Image:P-tma.JPG]]
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Although the hash numbers seem a definite likelihood, I was wondering if either real-life time or game time would come into the equation as well? It seems odd that pit fiends with the same names would give different odds of item drops, or different item drops altogether, so perhaps there is another factor which we're missing? -- Jova.
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I think there is a significance to the fact that getting a hash number of 1 or of 36 is 1 to 666 (approx.). This being the abaddon charm and the pit and all. Can't overlook 666.
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I just wanted to pop in to tell you to sign your comments...ESPECIALLY if you haven't registered an account. --[[User:MagiNinjA|User:MagiNinjA/sig]] 11:29, 5 January 2008 (MST)
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I think y'all are over-thinking here... [[User:Cristiona|Cristiona]] 19:37, 5 January 2008 (MST)
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Has anyone gotten one since the change?  If so, what if anything do you remember about it?--[[User:SlightlyEvil|SlightlyEvil]] 22:21, 8 February 2008 (MST)
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I got one yesterday.  I don't remember the name of the creature I got it from, though.  I do know the 3 I fought before the Abbadon dropped were giving me more experience than I normally get from the Pit.--[[User:Harry Dresden|Harry Dresden]] 08:27, 9 February 2008 (MST)
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I got the Abaddon charm tonight.  The name of the creature "a lesser ghast-posterous critter from Hades" --[[User:Howiefeltersnatch|Howiefeltersnatch]] 19:21, February 14 2008 (MST)
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Ryme mentioned in chat about a week and a half ago that it's back to being based on the name. --[[User:Vreck|Vreck]] 11:47, 22 March 2008 (MST)
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:If it's back to being based on the name, the name has been changed.  [http://www.isccomics.com/Valera/randomness/hah%20Satan.jpg As you can see] --[[User:Valera|Valera]] 06:46, 26 March 2008 (MST)
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It's always been freak-tesque fiend from the inferno, before the change, anyways. I finally got one of them after the change, and got another the next day. But yeah, Ryme said it was changed back. - Satan
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==Lesser/Greater==
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Well, I can [http://i40.tinypic.com/28hd0e8.jpg confirm] that it drops from the "lesser freak-tesque fiend from the inferno".  What about greater?  [[User:Cristiona|Cristiona]] 04:06, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
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This showed up on my spading log:
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  a greater freak-tesque fiend from the inferno|Abaddon charm {{statrate|1|1|+}}
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--[[User:Hoyifung04|hoyifung04]] ([[User talk:Hoyifung04|talk]]) 11:56, 10 January 2016 (PST)

Latest revision as of 11:56, 10 January 2016

I removed the line about that quote from me. It was a misquote, and it was out of context.--Therum 17:12, 10 February 2008 (MST)

"Therum has been quoted saying "It's rather simple, but it's also genius. And that's all I'll say."" ... um... what? Cristiona 21:25, 15 December 2007 (MST)

Oh, I get it. Each fiend has three adjectives, and each (first, second, third) adjective is taken from a table of adjectives. Each possible fiend's name can be described by three numbers, one for each table. How much you wanna bet the adjectives on the tables are in alphabetical order? Last hint: 1A 2B 3C 4D 5E ... 25Y 26Z. --Mozai 15:18, 18 December 2007 (MST)
If I'm right, the chances of fighting the correct fiend should be 1 in 729... maybe 1 in 6561. -Mozai 15:22, 18 December 2007 (MST)

All 4 name parts are used as indexes. Their indexes are not in alphabetical order. - Satan

Since Ryme is a programmer, the drop is probably determined by a simple hash table calculation and here is how it probably works. The program randomly selects an integer from 1 to 9; it does this four times to get each part of the monster name from the four lists. Then the four index values are added to get a hash sum, which in this case must fall in the range from 4 (all ones) to 36 (all nines). Any combination of index numbers that sums to the desired hash value should drop the talisman.

Depending on the winning hash value Ryme selected, the probability of the drop could be anywhere from low of 0.015% to a high of 7.453% (he could also have programmed multiple winning values such as 4 OR 36). Given the rarity of this item, the target value(s) is obviously one of the low frequency choices near the top or bottom of the table shown below. For example, if the target hash sum is 5, there are four monster name combinations (out of 6,561 possibilities) that will drop the talisman, while if the value is 6 there are ten combinations, etc.

Unfortunately, knowing the programming technique is just interesting information; that knowledge does not help you get an Abaddon Charm any sooner! If you want the talisman, you have to go to the pit, kill some monsters, and get lucky. - Hodag

Hash Table
Hash Frequency Probability
4 1 0.015%
5 4 0.061%
6 10 0.152%
7 20 0.305%
8 35 0.533%
9 56 0.854%
10 84 1.280%
11 120 1.829%
12 165 2.515%
13 216 3.292%
14 270 4.115%
15 324 4.938%
16 375 5.716%
17 420 6.401%
18 456 6.950%
19 480 7.316%
20 489 7.453%
21 480 7.316%
22 456 6.950%
23 420 6.401%
24 375 5.716%
25 324 4.938%
26 270 4.115%
27 216 3.292%
28 165 2.515%
29 120 1.829%
30 84 1.280%
31 56 0.854%
32 35 0.533%
33 20 0.305%
34 10 0.152%
35 4 0.061%
36 1 0.015%
Total 6,561 100.000%

02 Jan 2008, 22:50 (GMT) -- Jova acquires Abaddon Charm from creature called "a pre-tastic monster from Abaddon". Hope this helps anyone out there :) -- Jova.

You got a screen shot of that? Verification, you see. All previous charms (quite a few) have come from Freak-tesque fiends from the inferno. - Satan

Abaddon charm (2).jpg

This is the pit fiend I found which dropped the Abaddon charm. -- Jova

Hrm. I got this today.

P-tma.JPG

Although the hash numbers seem a definite likelihood, I was wondering if either real-life time or game time would come into the equation as well? It seems odd that pit fiends with the same names would give different odds of item drops, or different item drops altogether, so perhaps there is another factor which we're missing? -- Jova.

I think there is a significance to the fact that getting a hash number of 1 or of 36 is 1 to 666 (approx.). This being the abaddon charm and the pit and all. Can't overlook 666.

I just wanted to pop in to tell you to sign your comments...ESPECIALLY if you haven't registered an account. --User:MagiNinjA/sig 11:29, 5 January 2008 (MST)

I think y'all are over-thinking here... Cristiona 19:37, 5 January 2008 (MST)

Has anyone gotten one since the change? If so, what if anything do you remember about it?--SlightlyEvil 22:21, 8 February 2008 (MST)

I got one yesterday. I don't remember the name of the creature I got it from, though. I do know the 3 I fought before the Abbadon dropped were giving me more experience than I normally get from the Pit.--Harry Dresden 08:27, 9 February 2008 (MST)

I got the Abaddon charm tonight. The name of the creature "a lesser ghast-posterous critter from Hades" --Howiefeltersnatch 19:21, February 14 2008 (MST)


Ryme mentioned in chat about a week and a half ago that it's back to being based on the name. --Vreck 11:47, 22 March 2008 (MST)

If it's back to being based on the name, the name has been changed. As you can see --Valera 06:46, 26 March 2008 (MST)

It's always been freak-tesque fiend from the inferno, before the change, anyways. I finally got one of them after the change, and got another the next day. But yeah, Ryme said it was changed back. - Satan


Lesser/Greater

Well, I can confirm that it drops from the "lesser freak-tesque fiend from the inferno". What about greater? Cristiona 04:06, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

This showed up on my spading log: 

 a greater freak-tesque fiend from the inferno|Abaddon charm	100 ± 0.1

--hoyifung04 (talk) 11:56, 10 January 2016 (PST)

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