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Elemental choice

I'm going to start adding my experience with elements until the pattern emerges:

Blue Chip and other drops

Myself level 30 with 407 HP, Mick gave 829 XP and had 651 HP (434 TNT hit). I got blue chip and candy. --Muhandes 04:46, 28 September 2010 (PDT)

Fought him with 4 characters: level 70 Naturalist, won the first time, got the gorilla vest and thunderbolt(and chip - it's guaranteed, apparently).
level 50 elementalist, lost many times, got only the chip.
level 50 gadgeteer, lost once, got chip and thunderbolt.
level 50 psion, lost once, got chip and thunderbolt.
Edivad 04:58, 28 September 2010 (PDT)

Hey guys, just though I'd add my experience... I was a level 25 Elementalist, lost to him several times, got only the chip. --Prestige 07:16, 29 September 2010 (PDT)

So far I beat him on my three chars on different lvls, got only chip always. It seems that elemental is hardest, the only class I can't beat him with. I tried pumping spell dmg, other time going with max resistances, now I pile up absorbation gear, maybe this will work --Shikao 07:54, 29 September 2010 (PDT)

I'm thinking the drops might be related to the amount of adjusting he does. fought him when he only adjusted defense and got NOTHING. not even a blue chip. --Muhandes 07:16, 1 October 2010 (PDT)

Hmm, now I wish I had copied down the messages when I fought him as a level 11 nat. I know I got only one "Not liking what he senses..." message, but I don't remember what stat it referred to. I also got only a blue chip in that run. --Prestige 07:28, 1 October 2010 (PDT)

Got in on all 4 chars on first runs and so far 1 in 3 second runs. Also noticed that last time I got chip was after seeing "Apparently feeling cocky, the Mick picks up a coin from his desk, flips it once, and drops it into a pocket."--Shikao 09:44, 6 October 2010 (PDT)

I think those messages are the hints. If people can be specific as to what message they got and what dropped it would be great. So far I can say what I got:

• No message: no drops
• he Mick takes a moment to clear a couple of things: coin + 2 other drops.

I can also say I got those messages after excessively buffing myself, and getting at least two adjustments.

--Muhandes 14:34, 6 October 2010 (PDT)

I wonder what the "coin flipping" message means. In my last run, I lost to him several times, but at the beginning of combat, I sometimes got the coin message and sometimes didn't, even though my buffs and equipment were (as far as I can recall) the same during multiple attempts. --Prestige 15:58, 6 October 2010 (PDT)

I had only one adjustment when I got coin and all possible Naturalist buffs at that moment + yellow pill. I lost the first time and on second attempt, adjustemnts were exactly the same. --Shikao 22:06, 6 October 2010 (PDT)

I just the "flip a coin message" which only got me the blue chip. Anecdotal, but so far it works. "flip a coin" = blue chip. "clear a couple of things" = 3 items. --Muhandes 02:06, 7 October 2010 (PDT)

Fought him again, got the 'shield', 'evasive subroutine activated' and 'coin' special messages at the start. He only dropped a blue chip. add-on: level 11 gadgeteer, had LOTS of buffs on(no item restrictions run), and had a significant amount of +dodge from equip. Edivad 04:31, 7 October 2010 (PDT)

Only got the "attach a suitable shield to his exosuit" message, no drop. Level 11 gadgeteer, no +to-hit or +to-dodge, a bit of +ranged damage, and 10 DA. --TeKRunneR 04:43, 7 October 2010 (PDT)

Lvl 11 Elemental 225 Defense(natural -- no buffs) 114 HP 50% acid 5% fire, ice, electrical and he buffed aura and defense plus used pink, grey, and yellow buttons -- no drops jpsteel 8 Oct 2010

I just managed to get the vest, and indeed with the vest message. My method was to randomly buff myself with over 40 buffs. I don't think I had more than two adjustments. The Mick had 1200 HP compared to my 130 and he hit me for 128 on the first turn, so it was a close call. TNT ftw. --Muhandes 11:42, 10 October 2010 (PDT)

I'm pretty sure the Mick scales with + toughness -- I got the coin message with no buffs and +13 toughness. Also, I noticed he hits harder when you add + toughness -- jpsteel 15 Oct 2010

Ryme confirmed in chat earlier that + toughness is indeed one of the ways (not the only) to get the blue chip to drop -- jpsteel 16 Oct 2010

+1 FT from the silver necklace wasn't enough to trigger the coin. +13 from the Coon's cap was enough. Also, +7 from the coil was enough. --NardoLoopa 05:54, 21 October 2010 (PDT)

I got the blue chip with no FT and my guess is when I got concussed (8th Buff) it triggered. -- jpsteel 22 Oct 2010

Once again I got the blue chip trigger with 7 "active effects" and no blue chip trigger with 6 "active effects" so at this point I'm going to speculate the blue chip triggers with >1 FT or 7+ active effects. jpsteel 2 Nov 2010

11 effects - only Blue Chip dropped --Shikao 02:52, 4 November 2010 (PDT)

7 effects. Red Eyes, Holiday Cheer, Tangled up in Two, Hear my Roar, Cinematic, Old Man Walking, Utter Wretchedness; current stats: 92 strength, 52 intellect, 64 reflexes, 69 hp, 88 pp [buffed, including talisman (Navy Wrench); +3% exp from combat [Dingo's Lotus]; Nothing equipped otherwise. - Got coin message. Dropped Red Eyes (spent turns), and I lost the coin message. As unlikely as it seems, maybe it is simply a count of effects. --Valera 02:55, 4 November 2010 (PDT)

6 effects and +1 FT = Chip drop.

5 effects [replaced holiday cheer and tangled up in two with Ant's Strength] and +1 FT = chip drop.

4 effects [dropped hear me roar] and +1 FT = no chip drop.

5 effects [gained Needs Stitches] and +1 FT = chip drop.

4 effects [lost needs Stitches] and +2 Ft = chip drop.

3 effects [lost ant strength] and +2 FT = chip drop.

2 effects [lost old man walking] and +2 FT = no chip

2 effects and +3 FT [also gain +3% chips and -10% psychic damage resistance] = chip

1 effect [lost utter wretchedness] (base hp becomes 137) and +3 FT = no chip

1 effect and +4 FT = chip

0 effects [base HP becomes 143] and +4 FT = chip.

Preliminary guess work would say that this sentence was clearly wrong, looking at the data gathered, and thus was changed cause I'm an idiot. --Valera 03:21, 4 November 2010 (PDT)

1 effect and +33 FT (+2% XP, and 108 power defense) = "Apparently feeling cocky, the Mick takes a moment to clear a couple of things from his desk, whistling while he works. Man, what a jerk."

2 effects (gained internal bleeding) and +43 FT (109 total power defense now) = clear a couple of things from his desk

2 effects and +53 FT = Clear a couple of things from his desk

3 effects (gained furryious) and +63 FT = Vest

2 effects (lost internal bleeding) and +63 FT = Vest

2 effects and +58 FT = Vest

Ran out of turns. I'll test tomorrow, but I suspect that +55 FT, and +54 FT and 2 effects will both cause Vest drops. --Valera 03:41, 4 November 2010 (PDT)

I can't remember how many effects i had - 5 or 6 - but my Foe Toughness was at 63. I got all 4 known drops. -- Strlikecrazy 03:15, 4 November 2010 (PDT)

"[N] Ryme: Foe Toughness was being counted many times too much in the calculation for what would drop." New info time. --Valera

7 effects, 0 FT = Coin

6 effects, 1 FT = Coin

5 effects, 1 FT = no coin

5 effects, 2 FT = no coin

5 effects, 3 FT = no coin

5 effects, 4 FT = no coin

5 effects, 5 FT = no coin

5 effects, 6 FT = coin

4 effects, 6 FT = no coin

4 effects, 7 FT = no coin

4 effects, 8 FT = no coin

4 effects, 9 FT = no coin

4 effects, 10 FT = no coin

4 effects, 11 FT = no coin

4 effects, 12 FT = coin

3 effects, 12 FT = no coin

3 effects, 13 FT = no coin

3 effects, 15 FT = no coin

3 effects, 16 FT = coin

3 effects, 17 FT = coin

2 effects, 20 FT = no coin

2 effects, 21 FT = coin

1 effect, 24 FT = no coin

1 effect, 25 FT = no coin

1 effect, 26 FT = coin

28 FT = no coin

29 FT = no coin

30 FT = no coin

31 FT = coin

Yarr. --Valera 00:03, 5 November 2010 (PDT)

Something definitely changed. 51 buffs and all the FT I could get didn't get me the vest. I'm pretty certain mettle is also part of it, I'm doing lowish (8-11) runs. --Muhandes 02:49, 5 November 2010 (PDT)

17 effects, no FT - coin --Shikao 07:47, 12 November 2010 (PST)
17 effects, 30 FT - coin >.< (5 mettle run) --Shikao 09:46, 5 December 2010 (PST)

62 effects, 108 FT - coin and sketchy candy --Zillow--

35 effects, 168 FT - coin, candy and the bolt --Strlikecrazy 02:35, 31 December 2010 (PST)

31 effects, 115 FT - Apparently feeling cocky, the Mick takes a moment to clear a couple of things from his desk, whistling while he works. Man, what a jerk.
32 effects, 95 FT - same
32 effects, 82 FT - same
32 effects, 72 FT - same
32 effects, 69 FT - same
22 effects, 69 FT - same
21 effects, 49 FT - same text, got coin and candy --Shikao 04:23, 5 January 2011 (PST)

26 effects, 42 FT - same text, got coin and candy --Isladar 06:22, 1 January 2012 (PST)

50 effects(including Surfing for Lulz and 1 decrypting), +88.5 FT(0.5 is from SfL, assuming it scales like we assume it does) got me a chip, candy, and thunderbolt. Kurg 03:19, 6 January 2011 (PST)

20 effects, 26 FT - coin
23 effects, 26 FT - coin--Shikao 13:00, 6 January 2011 (PST)

27 buffs +107.5 FT(again, including 1 decrypting and surfing for lulz)got me only the blue chip and the candy Kurg 02:31, 8 January 2011 (PST)

30 effects, 0FT - coin <_< --Shikao 11:48, 9 January 2011 (PST)

33 effects, 62 FT - chip, candy. Kurg 01:36, 14 January 2011 (PST)

29 effects, 74 FT - chip, candy --Shikao 11:30, 21 January 2011 (PST) 43 effect, 140,5 FT - chip, candy, bolt --Shikao 05:20, 13 February 2011 (PST)

44 effects, 173 FT - Chip, candy, bolt. I tried without wearing a weapon, don't think that's done anything.--Strlikecrazy 02:50, 6 March 2011 (PST)

95 effects, 40 FT(buffs) + 30 FT(gears) Level 11 - Chip, candy, bolt, vest. The Mick gave me 1876 XP. Clearly effects are more important than the FT itself mainly because they also increase your stats to which the Mick scales --Patojonas 13:43, 30 March 2012 (PDT)

Strategies & Combat Mechanics

My hypothesis is that if you fought The Mick the day before (and didn't beat him) then when you fight him the next day you'll have an absurdly good chance at beating him. Case in point: I lost to him yesterday. Today I went into combat with only my starting Slingshot (Gadgetteer). He owned me without any armor doing more than maxhp on the first hit. However, with some shoddy gear (105 total power, no other effects), I was able to last 6 rounds (he mostly did 12+12 dam). In that time my Slingshot did 85damage for a single hit, and 140damage for a double hit. --NardoLoopa 06:07, 21 October 2010 (PDT)
-i doubt it. i've managed to lose to him 5 days in a row and he has not been easier after any given loss. --uewebawo 12:34, 22 October 2010 (EDT)