Talk:The Wok of Stars

Do we want to edit the "previous offerings" section so it just shows previous/current/next item? Would reduce clutter. Perhaps something like the chart at the bottom of here. Cristiona

That sounds like a great idea! Maybe make a separate template for it. But how to sort it... Alphabetically? By date of creation? Pantomine

I'm not sure what you are suggesting here Cris. I think this page should show all past and preesnt offerings by the wok. They can be arranged in a table by month/year if we want to reduce clutter. Are you referring to the pages of the specific items? We can do something like the IOTM template for KoL see for example the bottom of this page.--Muhandes 15:39, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, that box on the bottom is exactly what I was thinking. Having everything on one page just seems... cluttered and ugly. I dunno. Just musing randomly. Cristiona

Though, that is connecting between the actual items itself. Although, that is still really simple to do. Yamum

I think a plain list like we have currently should be kept somewhere. Maybe not on the main Wok page, but somewhere that somebody can easily see all the iotms and when they were from. The vertical space taken up could probably be reduced with a table like http://kol.coldfront.net/thekolwiki/index.php/IOTM#Previous_Offerings --Olaf 19:03, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

How about this one:

	2007		2008		2009
	Item	Price	Item	Price	Item	Price
January			Roderick's Gloves Roderick's Boots	5 silver stars each
February			Pouch of Many Lost Things	10 silver stars
March			Virtual Reality Helmet	10 silver stars
April			Amazing Technicolor Dreampants	10 silver stars
May			VHF-1 Fighter	10 silver stars
June			Fighting Club	10 silver stars
July			Plaid couch (extremely lumpy)	10 silver stars
August			Wolley's Index‎	10 silver stars
September			Ring of Fellowship Zorromir's double tower shield King's boomerang	3 silver stars each
October			letter shirt	10 silver stars
November	Hero's Cape	10 silver stars	Judo kid gloves	10 silver stars
December	Aegis Flux Incapacitor	10 silver stars	Recyclonizer kit	10 silver stars

--Muhandes 22:30, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Crowding

This page is starting to get a little crowded and long. Should we consider making links to historical-type pages? At least for the purchasing messages. Or, perhaps, the purchase message could go on the item page:

|obtain=The Wok of Stars

• Available for 10 silver stars during March of 2010.
• The shopkeeper takes the 10 silver stars and hands you a jersey commemmorating the Viking Games.

Also, I like the chart, but I think it's going to get unwieldy eventually. Might have to consider shrinking the images at some point...

I have no problem with either moving all messages to a separate page or moving it to the items, probably as part of the notes section though. I just don't feel the urge to do it as the page looks fine on my screen. If someone else wants to do it, go ahead. --Muhandes 09:46, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm willing to switch all the messages to the items page. If no one objects I'll start tomorrow afternoon. Also the table is extremely large especially when compared to KOLs where they have 5 or 6 years of stuff in half the space our 3 years take up. I looked at making the images smaller but they dont look too good . Any suggestions on ways to make the table smaller? --Zillow--

I saw some whitespace was removed, and the page now looks good even on my tiny laptop. We can worry about the table's width next year. --Muhandes 07:34, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

The tables starting to get a really wide now. Should it be changed to something like

		January	February	March	April	May	June	July	August	September	October	November	December
2007	Item											Hero's Cape	Aegis Flux Incapacitor
	Price											10 silver stars	10 silver stars
2008	Item	Roderick's Gloves Roderick's Boots	Pouch of Many Lost Things	Virtual Reality helmet	Amazing Technicolor Dreampants	VHF-1 Fighter	Fighting Club	Plaid couch (extremely lumpy)	Wolley's Index	Ring of Fellowship Zorromir's double tower shield King's boomerang	letter shirt	Judo kid gloves	Recyclonizer kit
	Price	5 silver stars each	10 silver stars	10 silver stars	10 silver stars	10 silver stars	10 silver stars	10 silver stars	10 silver stars	3 silver stars each	10 silver stars	10 silver stars	10 silver stars

or something like

		January	February	March	April	May	June	July	August	September	October	November	December
2007	Item
	Price											10 silver stars	10 silver stars
2008	Item
	Price	5 silver stars each	10 silver stars	10 silver stars	10 silver stars	10 silver stars	10 silver stars	10 silver stars	10 silver stars	3 silver stars each	10 silver stars	10 silver stars	10 silver stars

Also suggested:

		January	February	March	April	May	June	July	August	September	October	November	December
2007	Item											Hero's Cape	Aegis Flux Incapacitor
	Price											10 silver stars	10 silver stars
2008	Item	Roderick's Gloves Roderick's Boots	Pouch of Many Lost Things	Virtual Reality helmet	Amazing Technicolor Dreampants	VHF-1 Fighter	Fighting Club	Plaid couch (extremely lumpy)	Wolley's Index	Ring of Fellowship Zorromir's double tower shield King's boomerang	letter shirt	Judo kid gloves	Recyclonizer kit
	Price	5 silver stars each	10 silver stars	10 silver stars	10 silver stars	10 silver stars	10 silver stars	10 silver stars	10 silver stars	3 silver stars each	10 silver stars	10 silver stars	10 silver stars

--hoyifung04 (talk) 15:54, 25 December 2012 (PST)

The first one (with names) looks better. Another option would be to strip out the images. Cristiona (talk) 19:52, 25 December 2012 (PST)

I added an image-free copy of the (transposed) table above. Personally, I prefer the second (images only). Oh, and in case anyone didn't notice, the second table links the images to the item page, and the item name shows up as a tooltip. --hoyifung04 (talk) 20:49, 25 December 2012 (PST)

It might be time to revisit this issue. Any suggestion? --hoyifung04 (talk) 17:56, 1 January 2015 (PST)

At this point, we'd almost have to shrink the images. Or remove the names. Cristiona (talk) 20:41, 1 January 2015 (PST)

What if we place images with links to the item like this? I'm not sure if I can get more info into the captions without getting it to look all wonky though. --Valmo (talk) 06:15, 2 January 2015 (PST)

So something like the second table above? --hoyifung04 (talk) 12:57, 2 January 2015 (PST)

We can probably get away with removing prices as long as we put notes like:

• In months with one item, the price was 10 silver stars
• In months with two items, the price was 5 silver stars each
• In months with three items, the price was 3 silver stars each

--hoyifung04 (talk) 12:57, 2 January 2015 (PST)

I've made some suggestions for a new table (and copied the current one, for comparison) here. Feel free to add new tables to that page, but let's keep the discussion here on this page so it's consolidated. --hoyifung04 (talk) 13:43, 2 January 2015 (PST)

There are a lot of great options on your user page hoyifung04. I like "Transposed, no prices, reverse chrono, no text, single-line" the best but I could see it being awkward for users that like having some text to go by. Overall I'll support any of the options that are transposed with no prices as it cuts down on the pricing clutter and keeps the table from getting odd should it become too wide in coming years. --Valmo (talk) 14:41, 2 January 2015 (PST)

I like the "Transposed, no prices" from hoy's user page. --‡ Trog ‡ (talk) 16:20, 2 January 2015 (PST)

I like just images with no prices. Clean and easy to find a specific one if you're looking for it. --Harry Dresden (talk) 16:20, 2 January 2015 (PST)

I like Transposed, no prices, but with the names below. Patojonas 16:22, 2 January 2015 (PST)

I like the most compact table, the one on the bottom of hoyifung04's sandbox page. Sanjuro (talk) 18:52, 2 January 2015 (PST)

I think I like "Transposed, no prices, reverse chrono, no text" best. It's the most concise. Cristiona (talk) 21:01, 2 January 2015 (PST)

I think we can all agree that the transpose and no prices options are good, and that the no images image is bad, which leaves two main options to discuss: reverse chrono and no text; the latter also has a option for single-line. Opinions? --hoyifung04 (talk) 21:40, 2 January 2015 (PST)

- I don't like not having the names because it makes life harder for newbies whenever I point them at the wok page and mention an iotm. It takes some space but is more intuitive and seems to me to be the right amount of information. About the chronological order....don't really have a strong opinion about it but I like chronological best. Patojonas 03:21, 3 January 2015 (PST)

I also think text should be left in. No text = not searchable. Value of searchability will only go up as the page size goes up. --XKiv (talk) 10:41, 3 January 2015 (PST)

We could put a condensed chart on the main page, with a link to a subpage ("The Wok of Stars/Previous Offerings") that contains the full (searchable) chart. --hoyifung04 (talk) 12:09, 3 January 2015 (PST)

That would complicate things more than no names me thinks :P Patojonas 12:48, 3 January 2015 (PST)